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The Gibson Interview: Denny Laine (Part Two)

When Denny Laine left The Moody Blues, London was as good a place as any for a talented young musician with good credentials to find like-minded creative folk. Over the next five years, he made records under various monikers with members of The Move and, later, Ginger Baker. Eventually, Laine received an invitation from an old friend, who was looking to create a new band. The old friend was, of course, Paul McCartney. And his new band, Wings, would go on to be one of the biggest bands in the world over the coming decade.

The Electric String Band was a very interesting follow-up, musically, to The Moody Blues. That first single, Say You Dont Mind, is so good. Its kind of hard to believe that the band didnt take off. Why do you suppose The Electric String Band didnt make it?

Well, the main reason was because I started going on the road with these four musicians from the Royal Academy of Music. They were all soloists and they were all very busy doing orchestral stuff all around the world, so you couldnt tie them down too much. So in a way, it was a little bit of a white elephant having the best guys who were the young soloists of the Royal Academy of Music in London. They were so good, there was nobody else to replace them. So I got used to (the band) being four guys; but we didnt work that much.

And when it came to the final gig we did, which was at the Saville Theatre, which was owned by Brian Epstein, for the Jimi Hendrix show, my stuff was really pretty complicated. And at the first show I was supposed to do, my bass player went down sick so I pulled out of it. And John Lennon, I heard, remarked, Whats Denny doing backing out? We all came down to see him. We didnt just come here to see Jimi. Weve come to see Denny. They were my friends by then. So I backed out of it, because I knew nobody could replace that. You know, it was all kinds of intricate stuff; and I did get a bass player from The Pretty Things in there in the afternoon to see if he could pull it off, but he just couldnt do it. So I backed out of the gig. But the next week, there was another gig. It was two shows. So the next week I did do the show and went down really, really well. And I knew that Paul was in the audience. Since I knew him I knew all the Beatles very well by then, because the Moodies had already done a British tour with them I was hanging out with them. I went to a few Sgt. Pepper (events). I mean, I just knew them all. George was a neighbor. And so, Paul obviously kept that (performance) in mind.

And then, I went off and did some stuff with Ginger Baker and this and that. And then, eventually, when (Paul) wanted to put a band together, he called me because he already knew me. He knew I was easy to work with, rather than somebody you know, a lot of people were in awe of Paul, and they were too scared of him, in some ways, because he was so big. I got along very well with him, so it was easy. So that was really all there was to it. He just gave me a call one day and said, You fancy coming to Scotland and putting a band together? And I said, Fine, Im on my way. That was because, you know, I tried all this string band thing and, again, I couldnt afford to keep it running. But the single, Say You Dont Mind, had a very good underground following for me. We did a lot of underground clubs and folk clubs and stuff like that. And on the London scene, it did me a lot of good even though it didnt have any success. But thats because I never recorded anything with them. The only thing I did was Say You Dont Mind, which was kind of, like I said, an underground thing. But it was very good for me that I did that, because I did it with strings and it had that string band feel, which is why I put that band together, to sort of cover that style. But the guy that did the strings on that, who actually scored the strings, was John Paul Jones.

No kidding.

That was because John Paul Jones was, back in those days, like Jimmy Page, doing all the sessions. So Denny Cordell was the producer that I used for the album. (He had worked on) the first Moodies album. He went on to do stuff with David Bowie and Joe Cocker, A Little Help from My Friends, and Procol Harum, A Whiter Shade of Pale. So Denny was my best friend at that time. I went into the studio with those guys and John Paul Jones was playing a little bit of bass, and Danny Thompson was on double bass. He was from a band called Pentangle. So all these people kind of became more famous later. But at that time, they were all trying new stuff out. John Paul Jones was doing a lot of scoring for people. I got him to do the string parts.

That was pretty ornate, complicated music, but it seems like when Wings first got together it was about stripping it all down. Wild Life was done largely on first takes.


Can you talk about those early rehearsals and how the band came together?

Paul and I knew each other very well. Denny Seiwell had already played on Ram. So it started out with just us. And Linda was pretty restricted as a musician. So we were just kind of sitting there, jamming through stuff and getting into grooves with those old songs and things like that. And then I got Henry McCullough from Joe Cockers band involved, because I knew him through Denny Cordell again.

So we were just up in the studio there, and it was kind of an old barn up in Scotland that he had converted he did his McCartney album there. And it was just basic equipment that he had sent up from London, from EMI. We didnt rush it. We just took our time and he wrote a few songs. We werent trying to be anything too special, because we knew if we tried to be too special, then everybody would compare it to everything else. And so, we just thought, Well, you know, whats the big deal? This is the stage we're at. We might as well record it. Paul being Paul, he thought, To hell with the press and what they think. We're just going to put out what we're doing now. And thats what that was.

And then, of course, we went and we did this university tour where we just turned up on a doorstep and played to the campus there. So at least we got a little tour together without the press really knowing about it. Then that kind of got us tight as a band. And then, of course, the next album was a little bit more intricate. We went for a lot more arrangements and stuff. And harmonies, you know? It was the natural progression of any band, if you see what I mean. You cant expect to be as good as The Moody Blues or The Beatles when you just get together, no matter who you are. It just takes time and, of course, in our case we just recorded whatever we did as we did it and put it out, and it progressed, you know?

When did you feel that band finally, really clicked? When did the light go on?

Well, as soon as we went on tour, as soon as we did that French tour. South of France, we had an open-top bus and we went down and did a tour. Its like anything, you know? It's like the other line-up got really tight when we did the 76 tour. Thats how you get good. By that time, we had already done the university thing. And you know, the bigger you are, the harder it is to work in some ways, because so much is expected of you. And it takes a while to set up tours and all that kind of thing. So we would make an album and tour it. And then we would make another album and then we would tour that. You know, not like bands who are out there working every night. You always have to play live for a band to get good. Everybody knows that. I mean, you pull things out of a hat when youre playing live. Im sure you know that. As soon as youre in front of an audience, they tell you what they like and what they dont like. Thats just the general pattern of what happened: we got good because we were working live. And it was fun. We had a lot attention and all the rest of it, but we didnt really care what the press thought, or anybody thought. We were doing it for ourselves. Thats what all bands do, really.

Its a healthy approach.


The one thing that band always had, in every incarnation, was a great lead guitarist. You mentioned Henry McCullough. Can you describe how you two worked together and what he brought to the band as a guitar player?

I knew Henry from The Grease Band and they were friends of mine in London. While I was living in Mayfair before I joined Wings, I used to go to a place called Shepherds Market. There was a venue there, and one day I was in there watching Joe Cockers band rehearsing, like I said, because Denny Cordell was their producer, and I got to know Henry. I liked his style because he was a blues player. You know, I liked his kind of country-rock, blues style. And I liked him as a guy, you know? So I knew him quite well before and Paul said to me, "Do you know any guitar players?" And I said, "Yeah, Henry McCullough. He's just left Joe Cockers band. And I dont even know why he did, but I knew because I had seen him in the clubs and knew he wasnt doing anything. So because I liked his style and I knew him quite well, I knew that I could work with him, and yeah, he was a bit of a character, like. He was his own person, Henry. I mean, he played the solo on My Love, which was a great solo. I thought it really made the song, myself. And he did that live in the studio with no overdubs or anything. He was just a very natural, good, clean player. And not too flashy, you know? He had a good feel is what Im saying. Henry did play a Gibson gold-top guitar, as well. So he had that sound.

Now, Henry departed before Band on the Run. The recording of that album has been well documented, but its just so bizarre, some of the circumstances behind it. What are your memories of those sessions?

He left because he, basically, he wasnt too into the discipline of being in a band like that. It was too much. He was more laid back. He didnt like too much hard work, Henry. He loved to play but, you know what I mean, the pressure of the big time got to him in a way. He wasnt going to be coming, and then I was expecting Denny Seiwell to be at the airport and he didnt turn up. I didnt know the story behind that either. I had forgotten this. When I did a Beatlefest last year, Denny Seiwell brought this up on stage and started talking about how we rehearsed some of the Band on the Run songs before we went to Nigeria. And I had forgotten all about that.

So me, Paul and Linda go out there and the studio wasnt that great. It was all kind of old equipment, you know, hand-me-down EMI equipment. And nobody really knew what they were doing out there, but we had Geoff Emerick, who was the Beatles engineer, with us. And we kind of just did it like we did a lot of overdubs. You know, Paul would play the drums, and I would play whatever instrument and we would put the backing tracks down like that. And then kind of make things up as we went, you know? And most of those backing tracks we did ourselves and then came back to London and put on things like, George Martin would have some brass or strings, and then did the final dubs. But we got the essential feel just with me and Paul putting the backing tracks down. So I think thats why we had a goodwell, it was very easy. It came very easy. Sometimes its harder with a band, because with a band, you got work out everybodys parts and youve got to sit there and learn all the songs. And that way, wed just kind of bust it a little bit and then we made things up as we went along. Well, you know, The Beatles were the first people to have basically endless studio time where you could just experiment. And, of course, we had that luxury, as well. And because we didnt have a band, thats all we could do. I mean, we were there to make an album and thats what we did.

Did you have a sense that the album was something special even at the beginning when you were recording it or did it just seem like the next record?

Well, lets put it this way. I mean, Paul wrote all the songs except one. And Im the sort of guy who, if I like the song, I enjoy playing it. And if I dont like it, I dont enjoy playing it and I let it be known. But because I liked all the songs he was coming out with, and because I could experiment with them myself, he had the basic scene but I was just as much a part of the additional pieces and ideas.

So the only song I wrote was No Words, and that ended up being a dual composition, because No Words was two songs that were put together. It was Pauls idea to put two of my songs together, which made one song, and then he added a few lines in the last verse and helped me put it together. So it came to be, you know, a dual composition. But basically it was my song and all the rest of the songs were his.

But again, if I didnt like something, I would kind of (say), Aw, well, maybelets try this or lets try that. But he always had a million ideas, Paul, and still does. And then, just by my reaction to whatever he was coming out with, that would be the song we would go with. So wed pick them out of quite a few songs. I cant really remember any more than that except that it was pretty easy the way it all came together.

Now afterwards, obviously, you had to put a new band together. Where did you find Jimmy McCulloch? I mean, what a talent.

Well, Jimmy was with Thunderclap Newman and then he went on to a band called Stone the Crows. And the drummer from Stone the Crows, funny enough, Colin Allen co-wrote or at least wrote the words to Medicine Jar, which is Jimmy's song on Wings at the Speed of Sound. And so, (Jimmy) was the guitarist in Stone the Crows with a Scottish girl singer, Maggie Bell. The roadie that we had, a guy called Ian Horn, was friends of theirs. In fact, he used to be their roadie. So he recommended Jimmy to us. So Jimmy came in. Joe English we met because we needed a drummer in New Orleans to do Venus and Mars, and he became the drummer for those sessions. And there you go. So we had another line-up.

Wings had several line-ups, but that one seems to be the one that sticks out as the real

Oh, yeah. Well, thats because, again, we toured it. And you know, Joe and Jimmy were very, very good musicians anyway. They just had their own thing. Even on their own, they were just great musicians. I'm not saying that Denny and Henry werent, because Denny is an amazing musician and so is Henry. But it was an earlier stage and we didnt do the world tour and we didnt have that much success. But now, we were all ready to do a world tour, so we got really good as a result of touring. And it was a result of doing all the big stadiums all over the world, as well, not just the South of France this time. I mean, this was the big time. The way it all came together, I think it was about nine months, that tour. And then it got stopped a little bit because Jimmy had an accident and broke one of his fingers. And then it was supposed to go to Japan and the visas got revoked because Paul had had a drug bust and so had I mine a marijuana (expletive) charge. Then it took five years before we could go back again and (Paul) goes and gets busted and gets thrown in jail. So we never did do Japan, which pissed me off because I was really looking forward to Japan. You know, I like to work live. We did Australia, but we never did go to Japan. So I knew that was kind of the beginning of the end when that happened. We didnt work enough live as it was.

That period that were talking about, though, it seems like everybody in the band even Joe had an opportunity to take the spotlight, with lead vocals on Venus and Mars and Speed of Sound. It seems like this was the period where it really was a band or more of a band of equal partners than at any other time.

Yeah, well it developed to that. That was mainly at Pauls instigation. He wanted it to be that way. He didnt want the spotlight to be on him all the time. He was kind of sick of that. Youve got to remember that Paul and he wont mind me saying this was a great bass player and harmony singer. That was his role in The Beatles and also, obviously, he wrote a lot of his own stuff and did his own thing. But his forte was as a great bass player and great harmony singer, and John Lennon was kind of the more melody guy of The Beatles co-written stuff, you know? Well, I mean the main hits. Lets put it that way. And then Paul went on to be his own man, as far as writing. His own songs, "Yesterday" and all that stuff. Fool on the Hill.

But in Wings, he became the lead singer and thats it. And that was a lot on his shoulders, you know? So he wanted to bring us in to balance it out a little more. But of course, he was the main singer and all the hits we had were (with) him singing. And he wanted to make it more of a band. He didnt like it being called Paul McCartney and Wings, which is what most promoters insisted on calling it. He tried to get us all to do stuff, to the point that he would write a song for me to do, like Spirits of Ancient Egypt and The Note You Never Wrote. And then he wrote that one for Joe to sing (Must Do Something about It) and Jimmy had Medicine Jar. So you know, it started to get that way. But of course, the same old story, Joe English wanted to go off and spend his money and live on a farm, you know. The music business is okay until you really get to the point where you are so busy that you dont get time to spend with your families or spend the money youre making. Youre just always working. And I think both of them wanted to go off and do other things again.

Ive got to ask you, I mean, Jimmy's story is so sad


Theres one story, Ive always been curious as to whether its complete fiction or whether its true. Its been written that Jimmy was out of his head one night and was bent on killing Paul and Linda and you basically stopped him. Is that true or is that complete

I dont remember any of that. I mean, if it were that true, Id remember it. I mean, Ive heard that story. He was going to shoot them, or something, or had a gun pointed at them. I dont know anything about that. I dont remember that. And if I had stopped him, I would definitely remember it. But I do know that Jimmy was a bit of a drinker and a little bit of a, you know, I dont know He had a little bit of vendetta, at some point, against Paul. I dont know why, really. Jimmy was a little bit of an upstart. He was a little bit of a troublemaker and he liked to drink. He was a little guy and he was talented, dont get me wrong, but I think he just had a little bit of an ego thing going. And there was a clash there, but I dont remember me stopping him from doing any of that stuff.

I mean, I know that me and Jimmy well, I used to knock around with Jimmy a lot andespecially at one point in New Orleans, he got into a big fight with some junkies and I had to pull him out of that. And then another time, he came into the studio when me and Paul were doing some recording of a couple of country songs, and he made a bit of a scene there. You know, pissed off that he wasnt included on that, and got arrested going home by the police and we had to go get him out of jail. You know, he was a little bit of a drinker, but he wasnt to be taken that seriously. And I dont really remember that story at all. I read about it and was kind of amazed when I read that, myself.

As weve noted, Wings had remarkable guitar players all along the way, and Laurence Juber was certainly right up there. What did he bring to the group musically?

Well again, I got Laurence the gig. And I also got (drummer) Steve Holly the gig, because Steve was my neighbor and Laurence was hanging around the Langley Studios at Wembley when I was doing some overdubs on the Wings over America album. I mean the whole thing about the Wings over America album was that it was recorded live but there were a few little glitches that had to be cleaned up, like on everything. So I was there in the studio maybe cleaning up a few harmonies or putting a little bit of rhythm guitar across little bits that didnt click or gel, and Laurence was there, and he had already been the guitar player in a studio band with the David Essex Show. David Essex had his own television show. And David Essex was a friend of mine, so he got me to come and sing Go Now on his show and Laurence was the guitar player in that studio band. His brother-in-law at that time was the musical director. So I met him. He played the guitar solo in Go Now. My second version of Go Now, which had a guitar solo on it, which I actually played but this particular time I was playing piano. So he played the guitar solo and kind of hounded me after that. I met him at Delaneys Studios and he kept saying, If youre looking for a guitar player, Im the man. All that stuff. So when Paul said to me, Do you know anybody? I said, Well, I know this guy, Laurence, who is a trained, can-play-anything kind of guitar player. So we got him and Steve Holly to one audition, really, and they both got the job at the end of the day. But then again, Laurence could play anything you wanted him to play. He wasnt a rock and roller, though, and neither was Steve, really. But I think Steve was more of a band person than Laurence was. I think Laurence is more just a session-type guy, you know?

Well, I was going to say that the albums after that I mean, there were bits on Back to the Egg that rocked but it was definitely a musical change from some of the real rocking stuff you did before. Was that a conscience decision to mellow out?

No, it wasnt a conscious decision. I think the combination of the people wasnt the same and, you know, again we hadnt toured. But once again, if we had gone to Japan and done the tour, we might have turned into a real rock band again. We never really did enough live work to get really good. Thats the problem. I mean, they were competent in the studio. They could play anything you wanted them to play and they were good. They were competent, but it never developed into a real rock band again and thats a good way of putting it. It never really got to that stage.

Next week, in the conclusion of the Gibson Interview, Denny Laine talks about his post-Wings career, including the recording of George Harrisons All Those Years Ago, a recent reunion with some of his former Wings bandmates and a brand new musical!


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The Gibson Interview: Denny Laine (Part 3)

Denny Laine is a seminal figure in British rock history. He helped launch The Moody Blues and was the one non-McCartney to serve for the entirety of Wings. In between, he played and recorded with members of E.L.O., Ginger Baker and even Led Zeppelins John Paul Jones. After Wings finally descended in the early 80s, Laine concentrated on a steady output of solo recordings. Though he has stepped out of the spotlight, to an extent, he remains incredibly active in this, his sixth decade as a professional musician. In the conclusion of The Gibson Interview, Laine discusses his post-Wings career, a landmark recording with Paul, George and Ringo, and a recent reunion with some of his former Wings mates.

After John Lennon was murdered, you sang backing vocals on George Harrisons All Those Years Ago, with Paul and Linda. And Ringo, of course, played drums. Six months after John Lennon dies, youre basically recording, with the other three Beatles, a tribute to John. What was it like in the room that day?

It was at Georges house, Friar Park. I knew George really well. I really knew George better than all of them, because he was my neighbor. When he was with Pattie Boyd, I used to go to his house a lot. But when he got this other house, he had a studio upstairs. When everybody went, I was hanging out with him upstairs listening to all the music and having a laugh. So, I mean, I knew George well. I knew Ringo really well. I never thought of it as working with the three Beatles, funny enough. It never crossed my mind. But it was just easy. I mean, I was never in awe of anybody. I was in a band and they were in a band. That was the way I looked at it. I did really respect how good they were as a band. I mean The Beatles were a great rock band. Before they even got famous they were great. They just had a great little groove, because they worked Hamburg five gigs a night and they were a good little rock band. You know, I just knew them so well as people.

Well, I dont mean to ask if you were in awe of the circumstance. What I mean to say is that it must have been a pretty heavy vibe in that room, I would guess. Just that one guy missing.

Because of John.


Well, I suppose it was. I mean for sure it was. I mean, everybody kind of got used to it by then. It wasntI was with Paul when John died. That day, the day after, we went into the studio because he didnt want to stay at home. We just sat there looking out the window, and we saw this van go by, this truck, this furniture truck. And it said Lennons on the side, and I had never seen a furniture truck with Lennons written on the side of it everand there it was. And this is at AIR Studios, five stories up, youre looking down and you see this big furniture truck go by. And that was weird.

So we kind of went through all that together, if you like, me and Paul. So by the time it came to do that song, everybody got used to the fact and were doing their own things, you know? I think security-wise it kind of shook everybody up. I know Paul was forced to put some fences around his house and I know George had always, you knowI mean the security went up really big time, which made everybody tighten up and knit together a bit more and be a little more philosophical. Be moreI dont know. There was some kind of weird atmosphere there, thats for sure. It was a nostalgia thing. It wasnt really a sad (occasion), you know what I mean?

Well, when we talk about the early 80s, the thing that always struck me about you is that, with Wings falling apart, you were so prolific. I mean you put out an album every year. Was it, to call upon George, was it an All Things Must Pass syndrome where you just had a decades worth of stuff you had been saving up?

Yeah, something like that. (pauses) Well, not really. What it was, with Paul I put an album out, my first album with Colin Allen on drums, can you believe it, the Stone the Crows drummer. It was called AhhLaine. But that was done over a period of time. And it never really came out until I was with Wings. And then, the next one was Japanese Tears, which was an album I had kind of put together out of some ideas Id had. And I cant even remember who was on drums on that. I think it might have been Steve Holley on drums (editors note: it was indeed Wings mate Steve Holley). He was on drums on one of my albums.

What it was, was that I had access to studio time, I didnt have a band, and I was just going in there every day and making things up as I went. And actually playing a lot of the instruments myself and a lot of it was, being in the early 80s, it was all electronic stuff. I had learned a lot about that from working with Tony Clarke, from The Moody Blues. Tony Clarke was not the engineer when I was in the Moodies, but he obviously produced all of their albums after I left. But I met up with Tony in the early 80s, and he had a boat with his recording studio on it not far from where I lived. So he showed me the first sequencer and I did a little recording with him. And Rick Wakeman was a friend of mine, too, and a few of the guys from Manfred Manns Earth Band, they all had a studio that I used to go work in at Shepperton Studios. And I got into the recording side of it, whereas I thought I was leaving Wings to work live more. I ended up going into the studio instead, because going live was a lot of work and it just cost so much money to keep a band together. It was a lot of hassle. It was a lot easier for me to go into the studio and get into recording mode, and thats what I did.

Do you have any favorite songs or favorite albums from that period?

You know, its always a difficult question for me, because you think everything you do is pretty good. When I look back now, I realize there was a lot of experimenting arrangement-wise. It was a little bit over the top sometimes, you know? It was hard, when youre doing it all yourself, its hard to sort of stand back and look at it. So its self-indulgent, basically. If I think of the songs I did during that period, theres some that didnt make it as a song all the way through. Like All I Want Is Freedom. See what happens now, I take some of these songs and I do them live. So whatever I pick out of those albums from my repertoire are the songs that Ive listened to since and thought, That works, that works, that doesnt and That ones too complicated. I would take things like Game Set & Match some of the rockers, basically but songs that worked in retrospect.

And now I have a whole bunch of fans. Especially since I joined this Facebook thing, because someone told me there was a big sort of fan base on there. And now Im finding out that so many people know all those old albums. Im quite surprised, actually, because a lot of those albums didnt do anything commercially. They were just very self-indulgent and not a lot of money was put behind them. I mean, I paid for the first two albums myself and I never really put a lot of dough into promoting them. It was kind of just me experimenting. And like I say, once youve been in two big world bands, its really hard to come back with something to match that. And you cant go out using the names of the bands youve been in. Youve got to rebuild your own career and that has been very difficult for me ever since, because you get spoiled. (laughs)

But at least it gave me all that repertoire and, what Im doing now, Im trying to turn all those albums into musicals. I mean, as silly as it sounds, thats always been something I (was interested in). I started out as a kid on the stage, you know. My old man put me into a theater school and a music pantomine school. And Ive always been interested in musicals. I always thought they were pretty corny, but I like the thing of visuals going along with songs. We used to make a lot of videos or films of our songs. Go Now was the first promotional film that was around at the time, apart from what The Beatles were doing. And then it turned into videos. So everybody now has done a video with a song; its just the way it is. And now thats developed into theater by The Who doing Tommy and, you know, Abba. In fact, when I told Paul about Abba being the biggest thing in Las Vegas, he was doing working on Love at the time, and we talked about doing something with the Wings material. You know, everybodys doing musicals now. So all those albums I did, Im converting them with storylines into musicals.

Ive actually got one, at the moment, which Ive had for years called Arctic Song. Its an environmental musical. And I never could get it off the ground because it was ahead of its time, but now everybodys going green. Im going to be doing it with the University of Las Vegas in the summer. All the songs are about the whole green issue around the world. Ive had that around, its got to be twenty years now, but its just coming to fruition. And then Im working on another album, which Im actually mixing right now, and thats a concept album, which we want to turn into a musical, as well. And so, if I get those two things off the ground, then Ill start bringing all the old stuff back and converting them into storylines.

In recent years, youve played some shows with Laurence Juber and Denny Seiwell. Is there a chance you guys might record together at some point?

Well, I dont know. Weve only done the Beatles Fest thing and theres only been a couple of those. Im doing another one actually in the summer in Chicago. I still get on great with Denny and Laurence. You know, I dont want to go out with the Wings band, though, and its always the suggestion. I know Paul doesnt like that idea either. I havent spoken to him personally about it. I know Denny Seiwell has. I met up with Paul a couple of years ago in London. We went out to see UB40 together because were big reggae fans and UB40 come from my hometown. And we spent the night watching the band and hanging out, but I never talked to him about anything particularly musical. But I wouldnt want to go out there with Denny and Laurence and do a Wings trip. That's just too corny, you know?

Would you be interested in writing new material with them?

Its not a questionits just that everybody lives in different parts of the world. And its just like weve never really honed in on it. There was something Denny Seiwell said to me at this last Beatles thing. He said something about me and him getting together and doing some workshops or something.

And there again, Im also teaming up with Mike Pinder from The Moody Blues to do some stuff. Ive got an album lined up to do with him, even though we havent discussed it at length yet. We are talking about doing some recording and seeing what happens there. My thing is, while I wouldnt mind doing it, doing an album where it involves a lot of people Ive worked with over the years, bringing them all back out on one track, you know, different things, different people for different tracks. That would be something I would really love to do.

Dig up a few of the Diplomats?

(laughs) Dig them up literally. (laughs) No, Im only kidding. Bev Bevan is still out there. Hes still doing E.L.O. II and everything. I mean, he was in The Move, Bev, and he would be game for doing something. I know he would. Definitely Mike, maybe Ray Thomas from the Moodies. And you know, a lot of people Ive worked with sessionwise. I mean, John Paul Jones, for example. There would be a lot of people I like and know still I mean, friends of mine...Clapton, Rod Stewart, the Stones. All those people I used to know in the early days. I know I could drop a line to Ronnie Wood anytime and say, Hey, Ronnie. Wanna come play guitar on this track? Anytime I wanted to, we could just pull it together. And I have been thinking in that direction.

It seems to me you show absolutely no signs of slowing down. It sounds like youve got a million projects lined up.

You see, I dont like to live in the past. I dont like to work gigs that much, because I havent had a new product out in a while and I dont want to just do 60s and 70s stuff. I like doing them, dont get me wrong, I dont mind doing them. But Ive got five or six bands all over the world, who I could work with. I did a tour in England with a trio that was fun. And Ive still got that band anytime I want to go back there and work. Which is a completely different thing than Im doing over here. I mean theres two other guys, a bass player and a drummer, theyre not even like Wings fans. Theyre more like jazz/blues/fusion people and they just put their own pieces to my music, to my songs, and they just add their bit. And then Ive got bands over here that are four-piece or five-piece or whatever, in different parts of the country. But I dont just want to do that. Thats why Im recording this album and this album has taken a while because I got stuck in England for a year. I went out there to do some work and I ended up staying for a year and didnt continue the album. So, when I got back, I finally went back into the studio for a month or so and then finished off this album. Now its being mixed. So Ill have this new product out and Ill just go from there. But my main thing is, I want to go out and tour new music rather than the old stuff. Thats what Im saying.


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